I would follow pros on their website, but they do need to do more for the community(such as higher quality streams, movies, guides, theorycrafting, ect). Also just playing more in general on live would help too.
There aren’t enough “competitions” for WoW to validate salary to teams.
CS teams have online leagues that DO matter. In Europe, there are more live events. Organizations salary some of these players in order to keep them active, training and participating. Part of the reason is also the game has been around a lot longer. Teams historically weren’t salaried and even some today still aren’t. It is also easier for teams to break into the scene and uproot these top teams if they don’t practice.
Wow only has the ladder. There needs to be a league. You also have a bias towards the sponsored teams. Sure they may be better than the majority of teams, but there is no threat of new teams breaking in and beating them, especially from other BG’s. Teams don’t have to develop new strategies, because they are playing all of the same teams.
Blizzard could have done a few things with this over the years, like gotten rid of the Battlegroup system and made arena queuing nationwide, having servers centerally located when looking at the geographic location of where the teams originated from. They could also just take an easy route and keep a live, rotating tourney realm up and running…
It could all be local on one realm. Players could modify rules and gearset and simply disqualify members that don’t follow. Local arenas could be used. Players could issue balance in their own form. You can’t so much do this using live as there is frequently specs/items deemed by the competitive crowd that ruin the game. The battles don’t even have to be in the few world arenas. They could take place at various world locations, with various LoS objects etc. Just some thoughts.
I just don’t understand where the money for salaries would come from.
Games with sponsored teams which get salaries have weekly online tournaments which get a huge amount of coverege whereas wow tournaments happened once every few months with poopy prize pools and not a lot of news/drama to follow up on the team’s websites.
There’s no online leagues for WoW because it’s hard as fuck to set it up, because blizzard don’t care. Nothing to do with economy, JP should know considering the (excellent) starcraft coverage he’s been doing, in europe at least there’s plenty a 100 euro tourney every weekend.
Talking about organizations and writers, what would writers write about when you find it hard to run a 1 hour podcast without QQing about the problems with the scene and game? Teams can’t find players because there’s no way of making a name for yourself just by playing.
Competitive WoW is broken because of the platform, nothing to do with the opinions of organizations/tournaments (twix needs to stop crying, it’s not their fault. Other games have the same ‘independent’ website hubs as WoW). You can’t run shit on a small scale, so your screwed. Starcraft 2 is going to destroy competitive WoW (rightly so), keep up the good work in that area JP hope MLG start real support with some money.
Good to hear that even JP has been burnedout from this game
You talk about why the scane is weak compaerd to other games. its not hard to understand
this is a complex game and it allwise changes…how can consistently be good when the rules change ALL the time. @loky
JP you could at least fucking promote your other work properly? You didn’t give URLs or anything where we can follow your new starcraft-casting that you are doing when you were supposed to be promoting it in the show. Does anyone have a link that I can follow?
Too much hate from JP.
I really hope this wasn’t the last episode and if JP don’t want to continue with arenacast then should Kintt, twixz and zyz should carry on with the show imo. Love those guys <3
Voted no. Not because I think WoW players are bad or that the game is skilless, but mostly because WoW as a game doesn’t require the same team commitment that other games do. Teams don’t have a reason to stick together of the course of an arena season. They just fall apart at the end of every MLG cycle.
CS teams are playing online tournaments month in and month out in addition to LANs so they stick together more and build more of an identity. The blizzard ladder is basically one really long and really boring online tournament where teams can play thousands of games. There aren’t any important events over the course of the online season so there’s no reason to consistently check the teams’ websites when the end of the “season is months away and standing won’t matter until the final day/hours.
P.S. – I wish arena cast wouldn’t die. I hope someone else like Kintt etc would keep it going.
It would be nice with a show where JP didn’t go out of his way to stress how much he doesn’t play the game anymore. I don’t know if he thinks it’s cool to keep repeating it, but it comes across as annoying.
On the other side, i always saw JP as a mediator between the other “guests”, controling the flow of the conversation, so him not playing the game doesn’t change that function. I never listened to what JP said regarding the game, anyways.
Lastly, Kinnt is more likable, has the same skills in regards of controlling the conversation, and has vastly more game knowledge, so it’d be cool to see him going forward with the show. It’d be a win-win.
I didn’t like this episode at all. Hats off to Kintt and Twix for trying to keep things interesting but JP was just bringing it down. JP: you obviously don’t want to do this show anymore, so stop trying and just let it die. You aren’t doing anyone any favors by shoving these half-assed episodes down our throats.
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I would follow pros on their website, but they do need to do more for the community(such as higher quality streams, movies, guides, theorycrafting, ect). Also just playing more in general on live would help too.
WoW is dead and boring. Do the them sc2 podcast. the motivation isnt there for arenacast anymoore. sc is awsome tho
There aren’t enough “competitions” for WoW to validate salary to teams.
CS teams have online leagues that DO matter. In Europe, there are more live events. Organizations salary some of these players in order to keep them active, training and participating. Part of the reason is also the game has been around a lot longer. Teams historically weren’t salaried and even some today still aren’t. It is also easier for teams to break into the scene and uproot these top teams if they don’t practice.
Wow only has the ladder. There needs to be a league. You also have a bias towards the sponsored teams. Sure they may be better than the majority of teams, but there is no threat of new teams breaking in and beating them, especially from other BG’s. Teams don’t have to develop new strategies, because they are playing all of the same teams.
Blizzard could have done a few things with this over the years, like gotten rid of the Battlegroup system and made arena queuing nationwide, having servers centerally located when looking at the geographic location of where the teams originated from. They could also just take an easy route and keep a live, rotating tourney realm up and running…
It could all be local on one realm. Players could modify rules and gearset and simply disqualify members that don’t follow. Local arenas could be used. Players could issue balance in their own form. You can’t so much do this using live as there is frequently specs/items deemed by the competitive crowd that ruin the game. The battles don’t even have to be in the few world arenas. They could take place at various world locations, with various LoS objects etc. Just some thoughts.
I just don’t understand where the money for salaries would come from.
Games with sponsored teams which get salaries have weekly online tournaments which get a huge amount of coverege whereas wow tournaments happened once every few months with poopy prize pools and not a lot of news/drama to follow up on the team’s websites.
There’s no online leagues for WoW because it’s hard as fuck to set it up, because blizzard don’t care. Nothing to do with economy, JP should know considering the (excellent) starcraft coverage he’s been doing, in europe at least there’s plenty a 100 euro tourney every weekend.
Talking about organizations and writers, what would writers write about when you find it hard to run a 1 hour podcast without QQing about the problems with the scene and game? Teams can’t find players because there’s no way of making a name for yourself just by playing.
Competitive WoW is broken because of the platform, nothing to do with the opinions of organizations/tournaments (twix needs to stop crying, it’s not their fault. Other games have the same ‘independent’ website hubs as WoW). You can’t run shit on a small scale, so your screwed. Starcraft 2 is going to destroy competitive WoW (rightly so), keep up the good work in that area JP hope MLG start real support with some money.
Jp is jaded as fuck with wow, why is he even doing this, pass it to twix and kint and leave the scene tbh
Good to hear that even JP has been burnedout from this game
Good to hear that even JP has been burnedout from this game
You talk about why the scane is weak compaerd to other games. its not hard to understand
this is a complex game and it allwise changes…how can consistently be good when the rules change ALL the time.
@loky
What’s the website for the SC2 cast?
JP you could at least fucking promote your other work properly? You didn’t give URLs or anything where we can follow your new starcraft-casting that you are doing when you were supposed to be promoting it in the show. Does anyone have a link that I can follow?
What’s the name of the intro song?
LETS PUT JP IN A BAG AND BEAT HIM
Yeah hand it over to someone else, kintt, twix and zyz would be good :)
Good show though, even though you hate it JP
Too much hate from JP.
I really hope this wasn’t the last episode and if JP don’t want to continue with arenacast then should Kintt, twixz and zyz should carry on with the show imo. Love those guys <3
Voted no. Not because I think WoW players are bad or that the game is skilless, but mostly because WoW as a game doesn’t require the same team commitment that other games do. Teams don’t have a reason to stick together of the course of an arena season. They just fall apart at the end of every MLG cycle.
CS teams are playing online tournaments month in and month out in addition to LANs so they stick together more and build more of an identity. The blizzard ladder is basically one really long and really boring online tournament where teams can play thousands of games. There aren’t any important events over the course of the online season so there’s no reason to consistently check the teams’ websites when the end of the “season is months away and standing won’t matter until the final day/hours.
P.S. – I wish arena cast wouldn’t die. I hope someone else like Kintt etc would keep it going.
JP has been apathetic about this game and this podcast for a while. Kintt should just take this over and develop it properly.
I’ll somewhat agree with theory.
It would be nice with a show where JP didn’t go out of his way to stress how much he doesn’t play the game anymore. I don’t know if he thinks it’s cool to keep repeating it, but it comes across as annoying.
On the other side, i always saw JP as a mediator between the other “guests”, controling the flow of the conversation, so him not playing the game doesn’t change that function. I never listened to what JP said regarding the game, anyways.
Lastly, Kinnt is more likable, has the same skills in regards of controlling the conversation, and has vastly more game knowledge, so it’d be cool to see him going forward with the show. It’d be a win-win.
I didn’t like this episode at all. Hats off to Kintt and Twix for trying to keep things interesting but JP was just bringing it down. JP: you obviously don’t want to do this show anymore, so stop trying and just let it die. You aren’t doing anyone any favors by shoving these half-assed episodes down our throats.